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Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown
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  opened by paleface at 16:40:05 01/12/20  
  last modified by paleface at 19:03:25 08/27/23  
  paleface [sys=PS3; cat=Fighting; loc=NA]
           
Updated, streamlined version of PS3 Virtua Fighter 5 (see entry 1224): stage lighting and effects have been changed--not for the better in my opinion, for instance they took out the rain and puddles in the downtown cage stage...so maybe this was for performance reasons...but anyway, aesthetically the stages aren't as lovely as they used to be--the camera is more zoomed-in, two fighters have been added: the so far for me forgettable tall emo Jean, and Taka Arashi, the sumo from VF3, who...kind of seems like a big airbag; Quest Mode is gone, and in fact there isn't anything to do in single player in FS (there is netplay this time around, though!), aside from Arcade mode and training, *unless* you buy the item/costume packs: with those you can waste a ton of time in the costume editor making weird looks for all the characters, and if you get all the packs, you get access to the beefiest actual single-player gameplay mode, Special Sparring, in which you can run through a bunch of different ~5-9 fight gauntlets of themed, customized AI opponents: there's one where they're made up to look like movie monsters, for instance.
 
Special Sparring, and spending way too much time in the costume editor, then, is this game's Quest Mode, and, it's pretty good; it's shorter bursts, but I can almost get into that next fight, next fight, next fight fugue state I seem to seek out, going through bunches of the enemy gauntlets. Yeah, the first couple fights are a little too easy, but fortunately after that the difficulty settles into a nice smooth groove, and you can get good battles in.
 
Even if you buy the complete edition or whatever it's called on the PSN store, you may find Special Sparring still greyed out when you run the game: in my case, this seems to have been because the PSN store only downloads 16 items: the game itself, and 15 character item packs--problem is, the game has 19 editable characters; for some reason, the two multi-character packs the "complete" edition pulls down, even though their descriptions list 19 characters by name, don't actually download the packs for Sarah, Jeffry, Shun, or Lau. So, I had to go download those from the store individually--then Special Sparring was available.
 
The fighting, aside from the closer-in camera showing more detail of the characters, feels quite similar to VF5 (vanilla)--which is good, because it's smooth and intuitive-feeling, but with a lot of depth if you want to dig in. I'm not quite sold on most of the newer characters yet--Goh, Eileen, Jean, and whatever the miniature luchador's name is--but the old ones all feel distinct in meaningful ways (I still hate Lion ;P), the game is fast-paced, but doesn't feel too fast to control, and has a unique feeling of moves and stances building and flowing naturally into other moves and stances. I dislike the side-step evade/dodge--that came along in VF3--and the silly ground-bounce combos--those came along in VF4--but, I have to admit they give the game a loose, free, rushing feeling that is almost necessary to counter-act its otherwise highly technical nature; it's a feeling that's missing in VF2 and Virtua Fighter 10th Anniversary (on the NA VF4:Evo disc, under Options: Extras), and those games feel stifling by comparison.
 
I also dislike the colored flashbulb effect that bursts on the fighters when they strike each other--that came along in VF4, and was made always-on (in VF4 it was optional) in VF4:Evo--but I found that, unlike larger screen flashes (there are some of those during the load screens, I close my eyes : P), the hit FX flash is bearable to my photosensitivity if I wear sunglasses while playing. Which makes me cooler.
 
Also, in the costume creator, you can spend a lot of time just on sunglasses options, so that fits. And Sarah needs something to cover up her uncanny-valley eyes; I really wish they had modeled the character models, at least the faces, after the higher detail models they made for static images, which are completely different 3D art; most of the fighting model faces are all right, but Sarah's is bad--VF4 Sarah's face is way better--and Pai's isn't great.
 
A lot of the costume components aren't very good looking, and many don't go together that well; a lot are just really, really big and silly; also, some characters have notably worse costume options than others. Probably just as well, I spent way too much time in the costume editor as it is. ; P
 

 
 
  paleface 19:26:49 06/12/20
           
The Special Sparring AI on Very Hard can in general be beaten by spamming a few simple moves, which does not work against the higher dan ranks in VF5 Quest mode (on Hard):
 

 
The FS AI is more aggressive, but that may be to its own detriment. Also, characters in general had their offensive power increased from 5 to FS, but the AI's defensive ability does not seem to have been ramped up to compensate.
 
  paleface 10:43:43 03/05/21
           
Timing of jump attacks (for Command Training, etc): in 5 you could press up or up-forward and a P or K button to jump, and hold that P or K button to delay the jump attack coming out; in FS, you can't hold the button to delay the attack, so instead, jump with the G button, then hit the attack button when you actually want to attack.
 
  paleface 05:06:21 07/22/22
           
You have to download the four missing costume packs through the game's DOWNLOAD CONTENT menu selection, which loads up the original, web-browser-based PS3 store; if you try downloading them through the main store, it will queue up the download for the full game and all BUT those four packs again. ; P
 
 
  paleface 05:19:56 07/22/22
           
Uhhh okay this last time I installed, I went and downloaded those four who had been missing before (Jeffry, Shun, Lau, and Sarah) and Special Sparring was still grayed out; looking through Terminal, Akira was missing! So I had to go download his customization pack, too. : PPP
 
  paleface 22:55:50 07/23/22
           
The itch to mess with costume making had itched me a few times lately, and maybe to see how I would do against the aggressive but poorly defending AI in my current no-guard-button scheme, so I told myself I'd just make "one" Jacky costume in Customization mode, do a little Special Sparring with it, a quick in and out affair, and then...
 

 
Oh huh Ronin San doesn't have a cut-off top knot or anything so eh well never mind that. : P
 
Well so it looks like making custom costumes and messing around with them in Special Sparring is still incredibly addictive to me. = oo
 
Also, although back when I was trying characters in different VFs, I liked the more direct Jacky in VF 4/4e/5--and I did notice here at first that FS just felt a little slower, I think it's the more elaborate animations--having struggled with a few safe Jacky moves against the brutal AI in the Quest modes in those games, aside from his ability to skip away to safety after many attacks being obviously taken away, I REALLY appreciate some of the changes to his move set here. Three punches is a knockdown now instead of a combo dead end that gets you wasted! I think his ax kick is a little faster--it feels way more combo-able, at least. Forward punches do cool things! He's got a really nice low sweep kick on dG+K! And way more than I can remember. Add in this AI's all-around weak defense and you've just got way more offensive options. ; )
 
  paleface 21:44:09 08/15/22
           

 
I'd had trouble coming up with original Eileen costumes in the past, so I'd let myself think her costume pieces were kind of limited--but to my surprise I was able to cobble together costumes at least somewhat reminiscent of all the Darkstalkers main female characters from her wardrobe! = o
 
  paleface 21:59:24 10/09/22
           

 
Making some costumes for Pai, turned out she had a snake and stuff got a little weird.
 
Having fun--on Normal, anyway--with some of Pai's moves, I didn't realize she had these knock-down power moves like uh dfP+K and bffG+K. Took me a while to find the ffG+K forward somersault the AI always hits me with.
 
  paleface 22:55:25 10/17/22
           

 
Jeffry pounds everyone into the sand! = OOO Except...her?? The character against whom I haven't had trouble as anyone else so far?? Whoa man, VF!
 
That Wolf fight was a lot of fun. ^ _^
 
I am pleased with the Jeffry costume I came up with. ^=^
 
  paleface 23:00:52 02/12/23
           
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  "There seems to be a reference to Cory from Planet Harriers in Sarah's wardrobe."
 
A reference to Planet Harriers is a bit of a surprise. ^ _^
 
  paleface 19:30:38 04/10/23
           
 
  paleface 19:29:58 04/12/23
           
 
  paleface 22:00:15 04/17/23
           

 
Learning to love Jacky Bryant's pants by trying out a new pair.
 
Also, the VF2 music rules, like all the others have. It's all re-orchestrated; I was thinking the older STs were chiptune, maybe I was confusing them with the DLC music in the wretched PS4 remake.
 
Two of my three ol' VF:Evo bread'n'buttah combos suddenly came back to me!
 
  paleface 20:03:42 07/02/23
           

 
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  paleface 13:07:10 07/17/23
           
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  "Silver "disco elf" variant"
 
At what point do I stop pretending to play the other characters and just admit I have a Sarah Bryant fixation? : P
 
  paleface 20:54:10 07/17/23
           

 
Should I just stop pretending with the other characters, and go back to my old ways of obsessively playing Sarah all the time? ; D With the other characters--I've been trying to stick with Jeffry, Jacky, and Jean, so I don't look like I just want to play dress-up with my Sarah doll all the time ]+]--I still have to kind of force myself to play them. Do I finally admit I have a Sarah problem, and just go with it? = P = Ooo
 
I seem to be stuck or maybe even have reverted to thinking of her as having her 4:Evo / 5 Vanilla move set; was getting flummoxed here by what were maybe FS changes to her Flamingo stance starters.
 
Like you can just back-kick now for a pretty quick starter. Back P+K is a slower advancing one that seems to favor nifty combo follows, like once I did this one that just sorta continued to walk and kick forward all over the opponent. ^ _^ And you can fast-axe-kick from Flamingo with the usual non-Flamingo uf G+K input. And at least one other regular special carries over in Flamingo but now I forget what that was.
 
Maybe aside from Flamingo, df G+K is a maybe TOO effective sweep. ; ) Although if it gets blocked it gets SO blocked. But it was kind of hilarious plaguing the AI with db G+K kicks to the shin, a lower/slower kick on d G+K, and then the df G+K sweep to bring them crashing down--AND provide an extra ground hit on follow-up!
 
  paleface 17:28:24 08/21/23
           
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  "Backflip draw : P"
 

 
I thought I had a new costume idea but um I didn't 'cause Sarah doesn't have a leather jacket or a punk haircut which were kind of the whole notion. Right! Silly me, went a bit too long without looking at her costume pieces I suppose. Anyway I kept poking at it and eventually came up with...something. : P Probably need to do a little weeding out of her closet pretty soon, pare it back down to the top stuff.
 
Found a couple small moves I didn't really know about! She can chain a G+K high sweep into a regular K, and from Flamingo stance (b+K for instance), I think it was something like f,f,K,K does a sorta short flying knee + kick thing.
 
Didn't recognize what it was when a Sarah hit me with the high rapid kick flurry I always spam from Flamingo 'cause while I'm used to seeing myself do it, the AI doesn't actually do it to ME very often. ; D It hits so rapidly and repeatedly, yikes! ^ _^
 
Also I thought that was way too funny when that other Sarah and I drew on a mutual back flip kick. = D
 
  paleface 17:31:10 08/26/23
           
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  "Gave Sarah's "Queen of the Galaxy" solid leggings and inverted eyes"
 

 
with Sarah Bryant, Akira Yuki, Wolf Hawkfield, Aoi Umenokoji, Vanessa Lewis, Goh Hinogami--and also some Jacky Bryant and Taka-Arashi
 
I ain't good with Akira, Wolf, Aoi, Vanessa, or Goh--especially Akira and Aoi, maybe; and I can't really handle FS's throwing system, which makes things tough for Wolf especially but also Aoi, Vanessa, and Goh, and I'm never going to be very good with their throws--and Akira's got moves I'm just never even going to be able to execute--but the challenge with using them in limited form is fun, at least. Although, Vanessa what with having to switch stances EVERY ROUND and having less moves in that stance feels like extra work for less pay-off, hrm.
 
I still don't really get Jacky here, it feels like they busted him up 'cause he was too good in Evo, so I should probably stick to Evo for playing him. And Taka I just couldn't manage, I know there's stuff I'm missing with him but also I think maybe he's fighting at a bit of a disadvantage anyway; in any case, it ain't easy to feel strong with him, so blah.
 
Switched my button rows so now it's P and K on top, T and GK on the bottom--right arm was getting slightly cramped being pulled back a bit to hit the bottom row all the time. ; )
 
  paleface 19:03:25 08/27/23
           
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  "Vanessa's custom Handcuffs win pose; VF4 costume re-created; "Candy" T-shirt"
 

 
Forgot Vanessa's only got a crouch throw in Defensive Style! Well, that simplifies things, anyway. : P
 
Tried mapping a G+P+K button to make switching to her Offensive Style before each round a little easier--but of course then I kept accidentally hitting it and confusing myself mid-round. : P So had to get rid of that. ; P
 
f,f+G+P does her take-down to mount, then it's G+P for the ground attack (optionally with left or right for different finishes).
 
I find her challenging to use but maybe it's about the right difficulty uh mostly, since Hard is maybe a little too easy sometimes and Very Hard is usually too perfect. : P
 
Gotta work on neutral Punch combos, it's the only thing fast enough to get me out of a lot of frame traps, like from Lau's rushdown. : P Also getting the range of her longer-ranged attacks (db+G+K heel kick, f,f+P lunging punch, b,b+G+P takedown, G+K spin kick, etc) down better.
 
VF5FS characters have four individual special win pose items each, according to https://virtuafighter.com/threads/vf5fs-item-pose-list.15911/ --and two generic ones (Floating ball and Flag) ; besides the Handcuffs (Waist), Vanessa's are Sharpshooter Rifle (back), Barbell (back), Throwing Knives (Waist).
    
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references:
· Virtua Fighter 2 (PS3)
· Virtua Fighter 3tb (DC)
· Virtua Fighter 4 (PS2)
· Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution (PS2)
· Virtua Fighter 5 (PS3)
· Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown (PS4)

 
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