I don’t understand the way SNK characters were done. In the first game (which sucked, btw) they took about half of their moves away leaving us with characters I couldn’t even figure how to play. Then they have a code for “EX” version which have the missing moves back but others were taken away. Two shitty Kyos, two shitty Terrys. Just...why? CVS2 fixes this but Kyo is never cool or tough or fun to play. I don’t know about power but I do know the only reason I played that game is because everyone else was. Street Fighter Zero, Street Fighter 3, KOF, all are better games.

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Posted by SignOfZeta on May 19, 2020 at 21:36:23 EST in reply to What is a little sad about CvS2 though is that there's at least a perception that Capcom made the SNK characters weaker, on average, than their own characters; the SNK characters aren't played very much, in tournaments, as far as I've seen--at least, not by the players who go far. And then, way too much Sagat, Blanka, Dictator, Cammy. For spectating, at least, casual play is where it's at. (n/t) from Paleface.

I don’t understand the way SNK characters were done. In the first game (which sucked, btw) they took about half of their moves away leaving us with characters I couldn’t even figure how to play. Then they have a code for “EX” version which have the missing moves back but others were taken away. Two shitty Kyos, two shitty Terrys. Just...why? CVS2 fixes this but Kyo is never cool or tough or fun to play. I don’t know about power but I do know the only reason I played that game is because everyone else was. Street Fighter Zero, Street Fighter 3, KOF, all are better games.

n/t

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Yeah CvS2 still feels like a bit of a mess; I can't think of a cross-over game that doesn't, really. Oh well MotM maybe. And the regular KOF games, but I'm not nearly old-school enough to think of those as cross-over games. For me, who has never properly learned anyone's move set, I didn't miss the missing moves in CvS--and thus I had no idea what was EX about the EX characters, so thanks for explaining that. : D

(Paleface)

(19:17:51 05/20/20 EST)

That's the thing, I don't know what idea was. If I could talk to Capcom I would say, "Hey, what was the idea..."? regarding dividing the characters in two. Did they just think that since Capcom characters usually only have three moves that they had to confine the SNK characters to that? It can't be a technical explanation, someone must have wanted more similarities in how the characters play. KOF and SNK have a rep for complex moves. There are some characters in the newer KOFs I really can't do anything with because they are near Guilty Gear in abstract weirdness but this wasn't that. This was just Terry missing two moves, and another Terry having them but missing two other moves. Its like they knew they wanted to port it to PS1 and they didn't want memory problems. :)

(SignOfZeta)

(01:49:39 05/23/20 EST)

It *could* have been with the PS1 in mind but I would guess it was probably just as you say, a design decision to bring the number of special moves in line with the Capcom characters. And in the other direction, they removed the two medium buttons from the Capcom characters--again, thinking I suppose to simplify things down to a common basis; much easier from a development point of view, and makes sense in a *way*--but only if you overlook the critical consideration that it breaks the cardinal rule of never taking anything away from the fans.

(Paleface)

(16:17:59 05/24/20 EST)

Taking two buttons away from the Capcom guys just makes the game even more Capcom. This had already been established by MvC2 eight months earlier and has stayed with all the VS games (I think, I haven’t played five of them at this point probably). These changes are weird but people clearly loved it, the same people who like 3D Street Fighter. It’s a hit. With the fighting game scene having shrunk at that point by quite a bit they had to unify the genres.

(SignOfZeta)