Since its MGS? Yes. Konami is (or was, I guess) pumping tens of millions of dollars into endings people aren't watching. And I'm pretty sure the reason they quit making games is because the budgets grew beyond the realms of profitability. MGS is basically a kinda interesting story held hostage/locked behind a game almost as shitty as Resident Evil, but not quite. Much like Dragon's Lair, you suffer through terrible "interactivity" to get to the next cool animation. Sure, in Pac Man you can play forever, but it's actually fun. I've never seen the end of Ms Pacman and I don't care, it's still one of my favorite games. Nobody can say they love the shit out of MGS having not beaten it. Just like a movie, to experience it is to finish it.

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Posted by SignOfZeta on July 29, 2015 at 23:55:35 EST in reply to I don't even see the relevance of whether you've beaten a game or not. There's so many games that I never got to the end of (not to mention all the games that don't even have ends), but I still had a hell of a lot of fun with them anyway. Does it really matter? (n/t) from One Hand and Opa Opa.

Since its MGS? Yes. Konami is (or was, I guess) pumping tens of millions of dollars into endings people aren't watching. And I'm pretty sure the reason they quit making games is because the budgets grew beyond the realms of profitability. MGS is basically a kinda interesting story held hostage/locked behind a game almost as shitty as Resident Evil, but not quite. Much like Dragon's Lair, you suffer through terrible "interactivity" to get to the next cool animation. Sure, in Pac Man you can play forever, but it's actually fun. I've never seen the end of Ms Pacman and I don't care, it's still one of my favorite games. Nobody can say they love the shit out of MGS having not beaten it. Just like a movie, to experience it is to finish it.

n/t

Follow Ups:

Sorry, I tried to make it clear that I was not talking about arcade and classic type games without endings when I said that. I was thinking specifically of many platformers and RPGs that I never finished but totally enjoyed while I was playing them. I don't generally really enjoy "cinematic" type games, so I don't have many examples there, but I guess Snatcher would be one actually. I never finished that (at least I can't remember finishing it), but I really liked it while I was playing it. Also, what do you mean about Konami pumping tens of millions of dollars into endings? Does the ending cost more than the rest of the game? I thought the cost of video games was in stuff like engine development, bug testing, marketing, and executive salaries, not particular sequences within the game.

(Never Even Beat Adventure and Opa Opa)

(00:33:24 07/30/15 EST)

Trifling is the best word to describe MGS. The dialogues and cinemas don't prepare you for the parameters of the action scenes they set up, so you're dropped into these abrupt gameplay situations that demand very specific actions to reach the intended outcome. Nothing you do feels natural or instinctive or even worthwhile and so you (I) quickly become resentful that the game bothered to give you the wheel. That's the difference between MGS and other linear cinematic style adventures. It's like having a paper with columns of numbers dropped down in front of you and being asked to solve the problem without being told what kind of arithmetic to perform while being poked in the kidneys.

(substance J)

(01:04:52 07/30/15 EST)

I know a guy who loves that though - he likes the "can you figure out and then execute the specific thing I want you to do?" and his answer is "yes, and sometimes a way you didn't think of." I understand that, but it really is not for me.

(exodus)

(02:37:43 07/30/15 EST)

The QA guy on my team loves these kinds of games in a sincere way. I respect his enthusiasm because he's a good person and he likes that kind of challenge. But if a game has any kind of stealth the game gets mentally downgraded in my mind. This is why I will never finish Zelda: Phantom Hourglass or Ocarina of Time or Wind Waker.

(NeoGutsman)