Poll: how many uncompleted Metal Gear games do you have? Which ones?

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Posted by SignOfZeta on July 28, 2015 at 14:36:18 EST.

Poll: how many uncompleted Metal Gear games do you have? Which ones?

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only MGS2, the one people said I should try. I hated the controls so much that after about an hour my then-girlfriend turned off my PS2 because I was getting so worked up. I never bothered trying the others, though I think they are conceptually interesting! Just not a thing I want to play.

(exodus)

(17:23:30 07/28/15 EST)

You'd probably dig Acid?

(aerisdead)

(16:25:45 07/31/15 EST)

The first one, which I sold back to EB the same week it came out. I quit at the prison cell escape.

(substance J)

(02:29:49 07/29/15 EST)

I picked up that MGS2/MGS3 thing for Vita on clearance. Heard good things about them, but have yet to play them. I also may have a cartridge of Metal Gear for the NES lying around somewhere. But that game sucks so I don't think I'll ever finish it.

(Rockman Pocket)

(04:11:04 07/29/15 EST)

You are a twat, you know that?

(Mental)

(14:02:44 07/29/15 EST)

Ill play along though. I bought MGS1 and 4, and Ghost Babel. Finished all three. 4 of my friends have bought 1, 3 and 4. All of them beat those, most of them multiple times. Fact remains, neither you nor i truly know how many people finish these games. Our combined group of friends dont mean shit. And certainly the very vocal minority of gamers on the Internet doesnt mean shit either. Youd need to do a thorough research, nationwide. At which point... meh. We both just dont know.

(Mental)

(14:08:40 07/29/15 EST)

I don't think chad is trying to take a representative poll of humanity - I think he is asking us, the people here on this board, how many uncompleted MGS games we own.

(exodus)

(16:45:11 07/29/15 EST)

I don't even see the relevance of whether you've beaten a game or not. There's so many games that I never got to the end of (not to mention all the games that don't even have ends), but I still had a hell of a lot of fun with them anyway. Does it really matter?

(One Hand and Opa Opa)

(20:42:25 07/29/15 EST)

Since its MGS? Yes. Konami is (or was, I guess) pumping tens of millions of dollars into endings people aren't watching. And I'm pretty sure the reason they quit making games is because the budgets grew beyond the realms of profitability. MGS is basically a kinda interesting story held hostage/locked behind a game almost as shitty as Resident Evil, but not quite. Much like Dragon's Lair, you suffer through terrible "interactivity" to get to the next cool animation. Sure, in Pac Man you can play forever, but it's actually fun. I've never seen the end of Ms Pacman and I don't care, it's still one of my favorite games. Nobody can say they love the shit out of MGS having not beaten it. Just like a movie, to experience it is to finish it.

(SignOfZeta)

(23:55:35 07/29/15 EST)

Sorry, I tried to make it clear that I was not talking about arcade and classic type games without endings when I said that. I was thinking specifically of many platformers and RPGs that I never finished but totally enjoyed while I was playing them. I don't generally really enjoy "cinematic" type games, so I don't have many examples there, but I guess Snatcher would be one actually. I never finished that (at least I can't remember finishing it), but I really liked it while I was playing it. Also, what do you mean about Konami pumping tens of millions of dollars into endings? Does the ending cost more than the rest of the game? I thought the cost of video games was in stuff like engine development, bug testing, marketing, and executive salaries, not particular sequences within the game.

(Never Even Beat Adventure and Opa Opa)

(00:33:24 07/30/15 EST)

Trifling is the best word to describe MGS. The dialogues and cinemas don't prepare you for the parameters of the action scenes they set up, so you're dropped into these abrupt gameplay situations that demand very specific actions to reach the intended outcome. Nothing you do feels natural or instinctive or even worthwhile and so you (I) quickly become resentful that the game bothered to give you the wheel. That's the difference between MGS and other linear cinematic style adventures. It's like having a paper with columns of numbers dropped down in front of you and being asked to solve the problem without being told what kind of arithmetic to perform while being poked in the kidneys.

(substance J)

(01:04:52 07/30/15 EST)

I know a guy who loves that though - he likes the "can you figure out and then execute the specific thing I want you to do?" and his answer is "yes, and sometimes a way you didn't think of." I understand that, but it really is not for me.

(exodus)

(02:37:43 07/30/15 EST)

The QA guy on my team loves these kinds of games in a sincere way. I respect his enthusiasm because he's a good person and he likes that kind of challenge. But if a game has any kind of stealth the game gets mentally downgraded in my mind. This is why I will never finish Zelda: Phantom Hourglass or Ocarina of Time or Wind Waker.

(NeoGutsman)

(02:53:37 07/30/15 EST)

people keep telling me there are good stealth games, but I haven't experienced any.

(exodus)

(14:51:59 07/30/15 EST)

There certainly could be one, but not until they stop getting all their ideas from Metal Gear. That terrible control and the awkward way you get stuck in the cycle of running or walking or reloading and it delays the action of ducking or throwing a guy. I never feel like I'm actually playing an MGS game, just enduring it. I like games where you have freedom of movement. It can be a turn based strategy game or a digital comic or anything, in all genres there are ways to make your game fun and free and there are ways to make it suffocating. Playing MGS is like trying to fold a fitted sheet while blindfolded, wearing cement shoes, and eating BBQ ribs. Or maybe it's like middle management, where your job is to take the blame for shit you have no genuine control over.

(SignOfZeta)

(15:07:08 07/30/15 EST)

ghost recon: shadow wars was nice, but it was basically Xcom. Lots of sneaking, but in a tactics game. There it works for me.

(exodus)

(15:31:29 07/31/15 EST)

There's this Tom Clancy game for GBA that's actually really fun. Ghost Spear or something. It's more like a slow paced Command & Conquer than the tacticool games it was trying to cash in on.

(substance J)

(17:09:12 07/30/15 EST)

I've been playing some Wind Waker HD recently and that castle near the beginning of the game, Dragon's Roost I think it's called, is so frustrating. If you could see how short it was it wouldn't be so bad, but when you are in the midst of it it seems endless.

(SignOfZeta)

(14:56:32 07/30/15 EST)

I actually quit Wind Waker there!

(substance J)

(15:22:53 07/30/15 EST)

I played the WW for the first time earlier this year and was really unhappy with that section, if only because its very presence so early in the game indicated more stealth sections later on. Such bullshit.

(Tekcop Namkcor)

(16:50:29 07/30/15 EST)

The thing that sucks about is is that it happens so early in the game. You haven't yet had a chance to do much of anything and they take your sword away and stick you in this dumb castle where all the hallways look identical and you can't tell where you're supposed to go...and you have to be stealthy. It sucks. It's never that bad again though, smooth sailing, as it were.

(SignOfZeta)

(20:51:02 07/30/15 EST)

Really? Thank goodness. I wanted to dive into WW on the Wii U more but I just had *dread* about more stealth on the level of or worse than that beginning section. Looking forward to the improvements over the original (but I'm gonna miss that cute GBA functionality of the GC version).

(NeoGutsman)

(04:07:16 07/31/15 EST)

They built some of the GBA functionality into the gamepad! Also: Guts! So happy to see you here again.

(Mental)

(15:16:16 08/07/15 EST)

Did they? Neat! Hiya, Mental. Missed ya, buddy!

(NeoGutsman)

(00:37:53 08/08/15 EST)

I'm sure there are games like that which I've played and enjoyed (like, say, Flashback, one of my all-time favorites) but the pacing of MGS makes it so excruciating. The long dialogues and then boom you fail a gameplay section for the ultimate anticlimax. Compare that to like Killer 7 which did such a great job of fooling you into thinking you were making informed choices and doing more than you really were.

(substance J)

(03:56:07 07/30/15 EST)

I like specific challenges when it's like... I know this enemy spawns HERE in jewel master, so next time I'm gonna switch to this ring and do a better job. But when it's in 3D, and your view is limited, and your movement is more analog, it's too many variables and it just can't keep my attention.

(exodus)

(14:51:38 07/30/15 EST)

You're right, it's hard to tell exactly how much money goes where, but if the game cost $70M (MGS4) and less than half the fans see less than half the game, it's safe to say that whatever the exact math, that's many millions spent on nothing.

(SignOfZeta)

(20:55:25 07/30/15 EST)

I disagree here - because those fans that do finish the game are the ones that clamber for more, build hype, and get poor souls like gutsman to keep buying games in the series even though he doesn't like them!

(exodus)

(15:32:37 07/31/15 EST)

I have the first one for PS1 and MGS2 for PS2. I lost interest half way through both of them, but I did watch two different old roommates beat them. I lost track of one of them, the other guy has MGS 3 but has never finished it. Watching someone play the game is WAY better than actually playing it. I cannot stress this enough. My favorite part of MGS2 was when end when your boss starts losing his mind because he's a broken down AI. I also have a copy of that PSP MGS game that Sexodus gave me because he knew he'd never play it. I played it for like 5 minutes. I can't remember if I have Cube remake or not. I know I rented it and didn't get anywhere because it's more boring than a fucking algebra class. I know I had it on my want list for a while because it has its good points, but I can't remember if I ever found it. I also have that one "making of" DVD which I have watched all the way through.

(SignOfZeta)

(18:50:37 07/29/15 EST)

I have the one they made an emulator for on the Dreamcast, whichever that one was. I think I played for about half an hour once. I believe I also have the NES one in my box of random games for systems I don't own anymore. I've played the first half hour of that one about a million times, but further because I can't be arsed with those stupid fucking passwords.

(JSU8E 87JS2 MMAJ4 JJAIO 8820J 2SJI2 and Opa Opa)

(20:38:18 07/29/15 EST)

I read this as Metal Slug and I was like wtf

(wtfer)

(21:52:11 07/29/15 EST)

It would be nice to survey Jeurja and Guts on this since they buy everything and I can't imagine either of them beating any of these games aside from MGS1.

(SignOfZeta)

(00:00:10 07/30/15 EST)

Man, I actually hate these games. And I have owned most of them from the MGS HD collection for PS3 on back. I have never finished any of them. The pacing for me was always staccato, with some key finding, stealthing, getting caught, running away, licking my wounds because I suck at stealth, and repeating. I have tried for so long but honestly the series is exasperating for me. I even had those Ac!d games for PSP and just could not get into them either.

(SPAIN jk lol NeoGutsman)

(01:49:41 07/30/15 EST)

Also, hi everyone, it's honestly been a while.

(NeoGutsman)

(01:50:13 07/30/15 EST)

so here's the question! why the heck did you keep buying them!?

(exodus)

(02:39:22 07/30/15 EST)

I actually bought about half of my MGS stuff for so cheap it's not even funny. I kept thinking "maybe it'll finally click once I have time to play them" but I actually kind of avoid them after which is pathetic. Part of me thinks that some new control scheme will make it easier for me but it never works out of course. For what it's worth, the MG series is pretty much the last of the "everyone else loves this so I'm going to try to replicate the enjoyment - finally!" type of game I will engage in. It's been a couple decades or more of fruitless trying. When my coworker got in a froth about Kojima's situation at Konami I had to feign interest in the subject. I was actually more upset that I didn't buy the Bloom County comic book Humble Bundle in time than I was about Kojima.

(NeoGutsman)

(02:59:19 07/30/15 EST)

yeah, I feel like maybe 30% of the people I know who play games really like the series and stick by it, 40% like it but apologize, and the other 30% don't like it at all.

(exodus)

(14:53:23 07/30/15 EST)

Metal Gear 2, Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes, Metal Gear Solid 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Metal Gear: Portable Ops Metal Gear Acid 2

(aerisdead)

(16:25:31 07/31/15 EST)

Bought the first one, enjoyed it until near the end, beat it all the same. Played the demo for part 2 wondered if I ever liked the first one, got caught up in the hype, or if 2 was changed drastically. Stopped there. I would like to play the Acid! games though.

(twelvest)

(20:04:12 07/31/15 EST)

I played them a bit, but they didn't grab me. not sure why, since I like tactics! I remember it feeling kind of empty.

(exodus)

(14:53:10 08/01/15 EST)

darn it =/

(twelvest)

(20:22:21 08/01/15 EST)

I'm not trying to prove Chad's point or anything but it's worth mentioning my experience over the past couple years is that Metal Gear Solid is the one non-sports series you can consistently find in thrift stores. That has to be indicative of something.

(substance J)

(17:12:28 08/01/15 EST)

Indicative of people finishing the games and selling them?

(Rockman Pocket)

(16:02:28 08/02/15 EST)

....ok maybe.

(substance J)

(02:28:29 08/03/15 EST)

That it's really hard to keep GTAIII in stock?

(SignOfZeta)

(19:39:58 08/03/15 EST)

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