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Capcom Arcade Stadium
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  opened by paleface at 03:02:42 06/10/22  
  last modified by paleface at 12:53:51 09/17/23  
  paleface [sys=PS4; cat=Action_Variety; loc=NA]
           
Picked up Gigawing and Progear for this for $1 on sale, and they look nice buuuut the games have super-soupy high input lag. Bad.
 
Why would you do this to your old games, Capcom? Thought you were trying to get your release quality back up--not here, though.
 
  paleface 18:47:38 06/23/22
           
According to a video review by Shmup Junkie, the Switch version has 4.5 frames of delay in Progear ( YouTube tbvE18QK5OA?t=3474 )--he notes that this was about the best performing of all the games--and 7 in Gigawing ( YouTube tbvE18QK5OA?t=3690 ), which he notes is what he also measured for Gigawing on Dreamcast.
 
So, I suppose those aren't actually too bad, relatively speaking. The talk on shmups.com https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=67761&sid=8cd0468bdfb665e7f76857f6c9f67054&start=240 seems to be that lag and stuttering in some of the worst games got improved with a patch released after that Shmup Junkie review, and that the later PS4 version isn't horrible but isn't great as far as delay goes.
 
Arcade Stadium uses MAME for emulation. A MAME dev mentions a few additional challenges it had that affected performance, though: https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/lof9oq/capcom_arcade_stadium_uses_mame_for_emulation/
 
"Arcade Stadium noticeably suffered from having to make their own sound cores (and also from some performance and input lag issues caused by jamming MAME into the middle of Capcom's RE Engine, but there's nothing we can do about that)"
 
  paleface 19:00:57 06/23/22
           
I suppose I take shmups.com with a grain of salt given that the posters there don't seem to bother trying their own delay testing with actual numbers, and seem to view Hamster's ACA NEOGEO ports as a gold standard comparable to M2 ports, whereas my rough tests show ACA NEOGEO fighting game ports as having a frame or two of delay more--on my set-up--than the best console ports (the best ones including ports by M2, which ARE actually arcade-perfect in terms of input delay).
 
  paleface 15:33:56 06/07/23
           
(Haven't tried the Stadium version of Forgotten Worlds; from the looks of it on YouTube, when you get hit in it your score and health readout strobes red, whereas in the PC Engine version--see entry 492--the only hit flash is on a health bar at the bottom of the screen.)
 
  paleface 12:53:51 09/17/23
           
Capcom hadn't really learned their lesson from the game pack fiasco (maybe it worked better for them than I'd thought?) of Capcom Arcade Stadium in the previous generation; when Stadium first launched, it came free with 1943, then three DLC packs of ten games each. You can see these listed at the bottom of their web site https://www.capcom-arcade-stadium.com/1/us/products/#addgame :
 
"The following packs are no longer available:
・Capcom Arcade Stadium Pack 1: Dawn of the Arcade ('84 '88)
・Capcom Arcade Stadium Pack 2: Arcade Revolution ('89 '92)
・Capcom Arcade Stadium Pack 3: Arcade Evolution ('92 '01)
・Steam Version: Capcom Arcade Stadium Packs 1, 2, and 3
・Capcom Arcade Stadium Packs 1, 2, and 3 Capcom Arcade Stadium: Mini-Album Bundle"
 
So they de-listed those and just put the games up for sale individually for $1.99--half the price of the eventual individual purchases in Cabinet.
    
references:
· Capcom Arcade 2nd Stadium (PS4)
· Capcom Arcade Cabinet (PS3)
· Capcom Arcade Stadium (PC)
· Dangun Feveron (PS4)
· Dangun Feveron (PCB)
· DeathSmiles (X360)
· DoDonPachi (PS1)
· dodonpachi DAI-OU-JOU (PCB)
· dodonpachi DAI-OU-JOU (PS2)
· DonPachi (PS1)
· ESPGaluda (PS2)
· ESP Ra. De. (PCB)
· Forgotten Worlds (PCCD)
· Gigawing (DC)
· Gigawing 2 (DC)
· Guwange (PCB)
· Ibara (PS2)
· Ibara (PCB)
· Ketsui (PCB)
· Ketsui: Kizuna Jigoku Tachi Extra (PS3)
· Mushihimesama (PC)
· Mushihimesama (PS2)
· Mushihimesama Futari Ver 1.5 (X360)
· Progear (PCB)
· Wing God: Gigawing Generations (PS2)

 
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